That is a very intense and interesting approach and aspect of realistic religious art -- something I had never considered. It also goes to the difference between what Orthodox Christian icons are and what realistic religious art is -- two very different realms and volumes of discussion.

That's an interesting origin. I'm afraid I'll always associate your screen name with SkyLab, though. My strongest memory f Apollo 11 is my dad's excitement so I picked that up.

Which is part of why you'll get along fine here. We've got several flavors of religion here, both of Christianity and other faiths. Being able to get along with people who think differently from yourself is a big part of what Nan looks for. :)

Nursoda pose sets collection at ShareCG (includes icons to show in Poser content library):

http://www.sharecg.com/v/69406/browse/11/Poser/NURSODA-POSE-SETS-COMPLETE-COLLECTION


:)

Looks really good!  Are you using Historical Curls hair?

Table uploaded to ShareCG:

http://www.sharecg.com/v/69486/browse/11/Poser/LAST-SUPPER-TABLE


:)

Thanks Terre  :)

Someone has posted a nice freebie this morning...it's a cart and harness for the Mil Horse.  It's unique for two reasons...every little piece of it loads as a separate prop (part of it is under figures, the majority under props), but because it does load so unusually, the harness and saddle combo may actually work with other wagons that don't have a hitch.  Though it's not rigged, rotating x spins the selected wheel(s).  You might be interested in this if you liked the western stuff:  
http://www.sharecg.com/v/69492/view/11/Poser/Cart-harness-for-Milhorse

Someone made a realistic horse harness? Great! Most of what I've seen has been things that wouldn't actually work if you tried it.

Wayii, you might be interested in this:

http://www.runtimedna.com/amadhia_sassafras.html

skylab said:

You wouldn't believe the negative emails I'd get occasionally from Christians on the "other" forum...because I'd use or recommend a "wizard" robe, and I tried to reason with them that if it's the only thing available, I saw no cause to be unreasonable about it.

Those whose faith is weak are usually the first to take offense at others, and anyone who takes offense at a DAZ Wizard robe has a faith as weak as straw.

skylab said:

I've read where a piece of this clothing was worth a man's life, since they didn't have clothing stores like we have today...thus the mention of "if a man has two tunics, give one away...", implying that someone who had two was rich...and reveals why the soldiers gambled for the clothing at the foot of the cross.

Clothing wasn't worth THAT much back then.  Clothing then as now ranged from cheap rags to the garments of princes and the ultra-rich, but common clothing was well within the economic reach of the common man.   Also, they DID have "clothing stores" - we know this because we have Roman merchant's account ledgers and things from Pompeii and other historical evidence. Although what they considered a clothing store, we would look at as being closer to a tailor shop, and these shops were heavily outnumbered by the shops of merchants who simply sold fabric, needles and thread to make your own clothing.  Many people sewed their own garments, and it was a common daily activity for women of the household back then to make garments for the whole family.  Making, repairing, and embroidering or otherwise embellishing family garments at home was very much a normal and common women's activity all the way up through the late Victorian era, where factory-made clothing became cheap enough to render home-made garments obsolete.

The "two tunics" reference is not a note on the value of clothing at that time, but rather an admonishment to be open and generous with the less fortunate, and live a modest, frugal life. The full quote (from Luke 3) is "The man with two tunics should share with him who has none, and the one who has food should do the same."  Here the emphasis isn't on intrinsic value, but in aiding the needy.

The soldiers gambling for the raiment at Calgary isn't to show it was valuable. After all, if it was, they wouldn't have ended up dividing it between them. Consider:  How valuable is half a shirt?  In the story, it simply shows they were bored (I.E. the executions meant nothing to them), had little money, and had nothing else to do.  Some have said that the rich purple robe that Pilate draped on Jesus in John 19 is what they were gambling for, but Matthew 27 says the robe was removed before they sent him off to be executed.  The ancient historian Josephus argued that the garment they were gambling over was likely a priest's robe, woven as a single garment - but this only begs the question of where Jesus would have gotten a priest's robe, and what the soldiers would even DO with it once they had it.  They couldn't wear it, after all, they were Roman soldiers.  Perhaps sell it afterwards for beer money?  Who knows.  But, basically, the soldiers were bored.  The "takeaway" from the whole scene of the crucifixion is that at the time, it literally meant nothing to the people involved, it was an ordinary execution on an otherwise ordinary day, punctuated by the usual and expected mob scene.  In a day with no TV, no radio, no nothing, executions were frequently treated as public spectacle for entertainment - as we read Pilate did in this case, parading the prisoners before the mob and letting them choose which would be spared.

Slon pose to use with Porsimo's spaceship:

http://www.sharecg.com/v/69724/browse/11/Poser/SLON-PORSIMO-SPACESHIP


:D

skylab said:

  I even read where it was against the law for "ordinary" folks to have
certain blue dyes, since they represented the royal purple, as you
mentioned.

You're thinking of the various "sumptuary" laws throughout history, yes.  Most sumptuary laws were specific, often quite local in nature. During the reign of Edward III, for example the wearing of ermine in England was restricted to members of the royal family. The rest of Europe, of course, wore what they wanted. In France at that time, it was common for nobles who were not royalty to wear garments trimmed in ermine, both advertising their wealth and thumbing their noses at the English.

Interestingly, it was never actually illegal at any time for anyone to wear purple as a general color of fabric.  The Romans had a law forbidding anyone not a member of the Patrician class from wearing a purple-trim on the hem of their Toga or Stola (as that was the mark of the Patrician class), but that's about it.  The real limit to the use of purple was just that for the longest stretch of time, the only reliable purple color they had for fabric came from the Murex snail.  Unfortunately, it takes a ridiculous amount of them to produce enough dye to be useful - twelve thousand snails yield less than a gram and a half of pure dye, enough to color the trim of a single garment.  The dye-making industry at that time nearly drove the little critter to extinction, and as such, the dye itself was insanely, hideously, astronomically expensive.  So, it wasn't that it was illegal to wear purple garments per-se, just that the color could only be afforded by the fabulously wealthy. 

Around the late middle ages and early rennaisance, however, there was a shift to using mixtures of blue and red dyes, both of which were more easily available by then.  By the 1800's, purple was easily affordable to most people, thanks to more sophisticated chemistry, and nobody alive remembered why they hadn't worn it before.  Thus, the "urban legend" that purple was illegal for commoners to wear was born.

Really, modern people have no idea the kind of convenience we have today when it comes to fabric colors.  We can wear any color of the rainbow, today, and color-fast dyes are commonplace.  Yet just a few centuries ago, many colors were prohibitively expensive, and colorfast dyes were just a dream.

Worth keeping an eye on, that's for sure.

How's you project coming along?

We've got a pretty good mix of Poser and D/S users here. Several other programs too.
Posting for Poser, Daz Studio, View.... All will be useful to people.

Nice work. :)
I posted the link over at another small forum I visit. Several people there are working with Roxie.

Apparently Mada is now part of that list.

Some are familiar to me, yes. It looks to me like Daz is suffering a brain drain.

skylab said:

List was posted with brief answers to most frequently asked questions, and summarizing the 24 page thread thus far:

Hmmm...  And from the images, it looks like Chris Creek is basically saying "This what V5 would have been, if we hadn't gone with that Genesis idea." 

While I'd like to say "Wow", I'm afraid my reaction is "meh."  I haven't liked where Chris has been going with body design since V3 was released.  For me, his most attractive body design was and is the P4 nude woman - she just needed better rigging and a better face.  So far, the closest any character has come to my ideal is GND Anastasia - and because she's a morph, it's made rigging clothing for GNDA difficult enough that despite how popular the character is, damn few outfits have been made for her.

I do like that the market is broadening, and I would certainly like to see the community move away from the constant focus on Victoria.  There are other figures, and clothing conversion tools are getting better and better as we go along.  But at the moment, I really don't see anything in "Dawn" that makes me say "must have."