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Artistic Nudes

  • DAGrant said:

    Thank you Celticfire, I use it sometimes.  I got so tired of painting hair with that one, I haven't done one with painted hair since, but I need to.  Nan and Mavrosh are my hair idols. LOL


    I like that one.  Lighting makes sense to me, goes with the background well.  One of irks is when an artist has a background like this and then the character is completely lit.. no shadows.  Here the shadows make the most of his sculpted form.  Did you do the skin yourself?  Very cool, love the blue 'freckles'.


    Yes I did Delaney, thank you. It was very fun but then when I got to the part where the skin freckles overlap the texture seams I wanted to shove my mouse through my eye. It was such a pain! In the end I felt it was very worth it though!
  • Nanobot said:

    My word, Delaney, that's a tour-de-force of wafty waifs! Hard work, but worth it.



    Thank you, Nan.. I'm cooking up a new idea, currently.  I think the hair will need to be more glowing/shiny.. oh well you get the idea.  LOL

    I like your 'toast'.  :D
  • nanobot, oh, that toast is priceless :)

    celtic, ooh, neat greenblue guy :)

    we have a new person? gee, i miss reading for
    a few days and look what happens.

    hi, new person!

    ~^..^~ ladyfur
  • Time for another fantasy pin-up. :)

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  •  Interesting! Black and white and water, very nice, and back-lighting, too!

    Mav, something odd is going on with the back of his pelvis; it looks a bit too prominent and bony for someone that fit.
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  • *coughs* What is a pelvis? If you are talking about that edgy something at his back just above his butt.... yup, I need to correct that. I was half asleep when finishing this one... XD
  • Pelvis is the hip part of the body between the waist and the legs. Hip is just the sides, pelvis is the whole part all around. Does that make sense?
    Suspiro ergo sum.
  • PS: das Becken
    Suspiro ergo sum.
  • surochek said:

    PS: das Becken



    Dankeschön! Thank you! :)
  • Great start, Mav. I'm looking forward to seeing him after you've had a chance to take care of the problem area. Right now (to my eye) the area between his upper legs and waist looks like he's starving while his arms and legs are well muscled. I think you're right. A big part of that is angle just below the lower back.
  • Mavrosh said:



    Dankeschön! Thank you! :)



    You're welcome!

    I'm not sure I can still put together a good German sentence, but I remember how to use a dictionary!

    (Spending summers in Frankfurt/Main with Russian friends didn't really help my German, eh)
    Suspiro ergo sum.
  • Along the line of the shoulderblade, perhaps. Putting such a feminine design on a buttock like that seems sort of inauthentic.  It might be that the design will look a hair more masculine following the line of muscle over the scapula.  Also, it seems a little bit vivid for green ink.
  • The swirls are nice if rather feminine, but I have to concur, it seems an odd design on a very male buttock. 3D tats are hard to get to blend well and look realistic, so don't feel bad if it takes a few tries. LT knows a bunch more about getting them to look right, since he's got figments with Yakuza tats that he does.

    I look at that and think there should be a trio of clovers--the central large, and two smaller flanking. Oh wait, that's a *flower.* Um.

    Look at architectural ornament for inspiration; it can be graceful and still be chunky enough to be masculine.
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  • Nanobot said:

    The swirls are nice if rather feminine, but I have to concur, it seems an odd design on a very male buttock. 3D tats are hard to get to blend well and look realistic, so don't feel bad if it takes a few tries. LT knows a bunch more about getting them to look right, since he's got figments with Yakuza tats that he does.

    I look at that and think there should be a trio of clovers--the central large, and two smaller flanking. Oh wait, that's a *flower.* Um.

    Look at architectural ornament for inspiration; it can be graceful and still be chunky enough to be masculine.


    I concur. Alternatively google some football supporter tattoos. Glasgow Celtic supporters are known to sport Shamrock tats, just be careful you don't end up getting accused of sectarianism. Oh, I'm sure you can find some moremasculineversions if you look for proud paddy tats or something.


    Actually, even adding a pint of Guinness to the shamrock instead of the swirls will do.
  • Artistic nude


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    Also (click for bigger):

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    Full frontal nudity is not mandatory. Allowed, but not mandatory.
    Suspiro ergo sum.
  • Since it has been deemed that this thread is only to be for art nudes, then let's take anything that strays from that categorization over to the new thread I just posted for erotic art. If you aren't sure where your imagery may fall, then it may be safer to post it there until there is a better comprehension of what defines an 'artistic nude'.

    I think one way to determine whether it fits, is if you would see something in a classical art setting (ie. life drawing class) or in a (classical) museum, then you are likely on the right track. If not, then post it over in the other thread. This was stated waaaay back in the first post, but things get missed. 

    For those still interested (and for the benefit of other people's understanding), continue to carry on the conversation about what an 'artistic nude' is here. :D

  • Hmmm, question: where do we rank the works of Maplethorpe?
  • Perhaps it depends on the specific piece of art.
  • Interesting question. But great painters have delved into erotica without making it mainstream. It usually remained a private collection (or in private collections). A known, but not public endeavor.

    Maybe it's just that we've forgotten that art doesn't all have to be public and in your face?
    Suspiro ergo sum.
  • surochek said:

    Maybe it's just that we've forgotten that art doesn't all have to be public and in your face?



    That and that this forum is very mixed company.  We hail from an unusually diverse array of ages, orientations, faiths and cultural biases.  And until recently it has been very easy to forget that because until very recently everyone has been very considerate of the comfort zones of everyone else without feeling either censored or uncomfortable themselves.

    It is when the art and/or opinions become confrontational (overt and in your face) that comfort zones get breached and hackles begin to rise.
  • That would definitely not be the purpose of artistic nudes. Exploring the shape and movement of the human body without disguise or concealment -- but not an exploration of the uses of the human body. That would be saying that a Goya crucifixion is an artistic nude. I don't think so.
    Suspiro ergo sum.
  • The headless torso thing is quite a Mapplethorpe homage. Aside from that, he did indeed do a range of works from the frankly homoerotic to the romantic and abstract. If I go to the Mapplethorpe Foundation and take a quick turn through the gallery page, I see black and white photos of torsos, heads, flowers, and portraits.

    These black and white renderings, the unemotional framing, and the lack of setting does objectify the subjects--but right past erotica and into abstract studies of flesh as pure form. Now, one's response may be erotic feelings, but I think that's part of the fascinating dialogue between the picture and its observer, not the express intent, here. The fact that the Foundation pages do not contain advertisements for Hot Gay Sex, or similar, pretty clearly states that they, at least, are not presenting erotica for the express purpose of giving us something to faff off to. He did male and female nudes, both, flowers, statues... and so on. This venue presents his works in the context of aesthetic appreciation, FIRST.

    Mapplethorpe was clearly perfectly capable of playing honkytonk as well as Mozart on his fiddle, so to speak. The range of expression is delightful, and part of the charm of his work.

    The point of this particular thread, at the beginning, was to PRIMARILY present the human body in terms of aesthetic appreciation.
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  • Artistic Nudity: The only thing erotic about the image is that there are naked people in it. Nobody is doing anything sexual, and the focus of the image is not on body parts, but characterization and pose. We can see the characters face, we can take a guess at their emotional state. The overall focus is on the character's beauty, and/or perfection of form, pose, and the overall artistic flow of the image. Example: David, by Michelangelo. Though it's usually viewed from the ground and as such it's difficult to see, in it's original installation, the statue was made to be viewed from a balcony above it, where his emotive state is more clearly seen. This is David before the confrontation with Goliath. His penis and testicles are retracted in fear, and his face is wrapped in apprehension. The true key to the image, however, is that we, the viewer, are dwarfed by the gigantic David who - though he doesn't know it - is a far greater moral and spiritual giant than Goliath was a physical one. Rule of thumb: If the impact of the image would not be reduced by strategically placed fig-leaves or swimsuits, it's artistic nudity.

    Erotica: Pretty much the same as above, however, now the focus is on the character(s) as a sexual being. Occasionally includes objectification by removing the head or other extraneous details that would allow us to guess at the character's emotional state, to focus the viewer's attention on the character's body. Either way, however, the focus of the work is on the character's sexuality, without actually showing copulation. Example: Rodin's "Eternal Idol", where the focus of the work is the man's intense desire for his female partner, and her enjoyment of his worshipful attentions. Rule of thumb: If the impact of the image would definitely be reduced by strategically placed fig-leaves or swimsuits, it's erotica.

    Porn: One or more people touching their genitals, touching their genitals to other people or things, posed so as to intentionally display their genitalia to the viewer as the central focus of the work, displaying obvious sexual arousal (such as an erection), or just flat-out having sex. Objectification by removing extraneous details of the face is common (often it's expected), and often the entire focus of the image or work is to display the characters' groins, or the act of copulation itself. The intent of the work is to arouse prurient interest, or display the artist's particular fetish. Example: Rodin's "Iris, Messenger of the Gods", was done on commission for an exhibit on Victor Hugo, but displays his personal fetish for women dancing in the nude. It shows a headless dancer grasping one leg in the air, her the labia spread wide by the pose. Rule of thumb: If the image couldn't happen with the characters wearing strategically placed fig-leaves or swimsuits because clothing would just be be in the way, it's porn.
    Jim Farris, Author, Science Fiction and Fantasy
    Jim Farris, Author, Science Fiction and Fantasy
  • Edited several times to clarify.
    Jim Farris, Author, Science Fiction and Fantasy
    Jim Farris, Author, Science Fiction and Fantasy
  • Oh my.... I feel insecure about everything now... I know that for sure I will not post into this thread again as I am afraid on stepping on somebodies toes again.

    Please don´t be mad at me for saying this or reacting that way.... at least I cannot do anything wrong with this. :)

  • I'd say if you follow the descriptions above and post pics in the appropriate thread, you'll be okay Mav.  You do plenty of stuff that's fitting for this thread.
  • I wasn't sure where to put this: it's a nude, and it's a WIP.  Not even sure if I'm going to finish this one but I wanted to see how the skin texture rendered out with a noir sort of lighting configuration.  I did tweak the body some, and I don't know why but the gen maps don't *quite* fit in with the actual skin texture.  I didn't do anything to the texture itself, the effects here are from the IDL sphere/background/lighting only.
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  • GRIM said:

    I wasn't sure where to put this...




    This is the spot. It's nude, but has nothing to do with sex, it's about posing and appearance, his head isn't cut off or anything like that so we can read his expression (I.E. he's not objectified, he's still a human being), and putting a pair of swim-trunks on him wouldn't affect the impact of the image.
    Jim Farris, Author, Science Fiction and Fantasy
    Jim Farris, Author, Science Fiction and Fantasy
  • Note to fellow forum-members:

    I'm likely going to be cleaning this thread up soon, so that it has more images on balance.
    Jim Farris, Author, Science Fiction and Fantasy
    Jim Farris, Author, Science Fiction and Fantasy
  • Thank you, Jim. :)

    Dar, nice experiment. This is the perfect spot for that gent.
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  • Thread has been cleaned up.  Thanks, everyone, for your patience and understanding.
    Jim Farris, Author, Science Fiction and Fantasy
    Jim Farris, Author, Science Fiction and Fantasy
  • This is one of my weaknesses.  Classic art with nude mythological figures.  Love the cloth draping, the wonderful sense of composition and space that they exhibit.  

    Here's one I did exploring..

    The Water Carrier - painted hair and cloth and background is a brush, but with overlays.

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  • Lovely.
    Jim Farris, Author, Science Fiction and Fantasy
    Jim Farris, Author, Science Fiction and Fantasy
  • Well done. Thank you for posting it. :)
  • Meanwhile, down by the sea...
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    Jim Farris, Author, Science Fiction and Fantasy
    Jim Farris, Author, Science Fiction and Fantasy
  • Beautiful, Xaa. Love the colours and the 'painted' effect.
  • I find it beautiful too.
  • Lovely new pix! *admires*
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  • xaa, very nice scene :) feels almost like an oil painting.
    ~^..^~ ladyfur
  • "Wet Deception" just to keep my hand in. Nothing special about this one.


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  • Nanobot said:

    "Wet Deception" just to keep my hand in. Nothing special about this one.


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    Excellent.
    Jim Farris, Author, Science Fiction and Fantasy
    Jim Farris, Author, Science Fiction and Fantasy
  • Well done, Nan. THanks.
    Hmmm..... Angel Fish, frog, and ... trout?
  • Fresh water mermaid? I didn't have a lot of aquatic things available. Should have done salt water, I suppose... but I didn't have any really good small ocean fishies. :(

    On the other hand, she has a trout watching her bewbs, and another about to taste her fingers. And an angel fish examining her hair, no doubt asking her where the water went!
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  • Xaa said:

    Nanobot said:

    "Wet Deception" just to keep my hand in. Nothing special about this one.


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    Excellent.

    Thank you. :)

    Man, I really needed the practice, too. >_<
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  • Inspiration time, for those of us who love the human figure. This video
    had my jaw dropping. It's called "Body of a Dancer," and while there are
    no naughty bits showing, it's probably not quite safe for work.

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  • :) Excellent example of movement and form.
  • Oh man. I love the high contrast!!!! Gorgeous.
  • Scifi nude. ^_^ Many fine toys played with! "Surreal CyberAlice.


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  • Elegant and delightful.
    Jim Farris, Author, Science Fiction and Fantasy
    Jim Farris, Author, Science Fiction and Fantasy
  • mommy. I wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating protein cubes. Wonderful
    Let's throw some mesh

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